Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. Virpil is a more competitive option if you want to use TM grips out of the box (but you could just buy a VKB adapter and do the same or a WinWing base). Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. Thank you guys for the help. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. There really is plenty. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. So vkb is not the first/only. Previously, those functions sat on a tiny hat switch on my throttle. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. Even basic assembly drove me out to YouTube where I spent hours freeze-framing foreign language unboxing videos to find out which screw goes where. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. Oops. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. > Q&A By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. So far Im extremely impressed. 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I have an in-depth write up here. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. Right? > Sales Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). It works perfectly with all buttons. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. It's easy! Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. I used this for my warthog. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. Jmo Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. For more information, please see our If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. > DIY In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Cookie Notice i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). It may show you something you did wrong. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. And every one but a single dial is bound. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. All rights reserved If so, how and what programs? When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. newsletter. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. I will look for that in VPC config software. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. What do you mean by splitting axes? It functions great and feels great. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Money isn't really an issue for me. Something went wrong. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). 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